Church Review: Traditional Baptist vs. Contemporary

 

On Sunday, the Grassroots Team started visiting churches in Asheville to learn, worship, and see what each one has to offer the city of Asheville. We’ve decided to visit two contrasting churches every Sunday for at least the next month. So, on Sunday, we visited a fairly large, traditional Baptist church on the west side of town and a “cool” contemporary church afterwards. I’d like provide a review of the two churches without giving away their identity, so here are some details on our experience:

Traditional Baptist Church / 8:30 am service

Pre-Service.We arrived at the parking lot of this large church building around 8:15 am and made our way into the foyer. Immediately, we stood out like a sore thumb…or some sort of rock band. That wasn’t necessarily a bad thing, though. The four or five greeters (average age: 75ish) were incredibly nice and seemed genuinely happy (and a bit surprised) to see us. Those of us with kids asked where kids church was, while the others found a seat in the sanctuary. The greeters seemed a bit clueless about kids church, but they directed us down a flight of stairs, outside, and into another building to figure it out. The kids church volunteers seemed as if they hadn’t seen a visitor in a while, or maybe just at the 8:30 service. Regardless, they were very helpful and nice. We dropped Elijah off and grabbed our pager. Yes, a pager to notify us if there were any problems with Elijah.

Service. The service started out with the 20-member choir singing a traditional hymn, while the worship director lead the congregation. There were a few announcements from the pastor, a couple more hymns, and then it was time for the sermon. The preacher looked and sounded very much like a politician; he was very well spoken and dressed to a T. The message was on the power of prayer and lasted about 35 minutes. A man then came up and talked about how we should tithe so that if we are audited in heaven, we won’t come up short. And wouldn’t you know it, they took the offering up right after. Another man made a few announcements and made a joke about how great it is to be a single man in their congregation because there are so many widowed women. He intended for us to laugh, and I sure did. The service ended as the pastor asked everyone to sign a petition at the door to help fight gay marriage.

Post-Service. As soon as I got out of my pew, a man asked, “Are you going to be joining us for Sunday School?” I haven’t been asked that question in maybe 20 years, but I politely told him we wouldn’t be staying. He said, “Uh….well, that’s too bad,” and patted me on the back. He was just as friendly as the greeters had been when we entered the building. I actually kind of wanted to stay because they were  just so gosh-darn friendly. We picked Elijah up from the nursery. All the workers seemed to be in love with him, and it seemed like they took really good care of him while we were in service. Several people made comments insisting that we come back next Sunday. We met up with the rest of the group in the parking lot and they told us how the pastor and several others were very apologetic about us having to experience the first service. The next service was apparently the “contemporary one with guitars and drums.”

Summary. I really liked these people. Maybe their hospitality and friendliness reminded me of my grandparents, but I genuinely enjoyed being around them. The disorganization at kids church was easily overlooked. I still felt like my child was being cared for and safe. The music was not up my alley, but I didn’t mind. Hearing some good theology set to music was refreshing, although, as Shaun said, it felt a bit like a sing-a-long. I felt myself dozing off a couple times during the message, but I can say it really challenged me to fast and pray. In my opinion, mission accomplished. I won’t use this blog for political commentary, but I could have definitely done without the call to action at the end. Overall, our experience was positive. The people were friendly and genuine, some good Scripture was taught, and we left challenged and encouraged. I wish they were unapologetic for the way they “do” church. For the most part, we felt right at home.

“Cool” Contemporary Church / 10:30 am service

Pre-service. We entered the enormous parking lot, and told one of the parking attendants we were a first-time guest. He immediately informed the other attendants via walkie-talkie, and told us to park in the very front row. We got Elijah out of the car and made our way toward the building. Before we could enter, we were approached by our tour guide. She showed us around the building and took us downstairs to kids church to get Elijah checked in. As Steph was filling out some information on a card, our guide asked if I’d heard of their new series. I said no, and she told me the name of it and said it was “so uplifting” (queasy feeling #1). We headed back up to the lobby. The pastors (husband and wife) were greeting people, as others were attending the coffee bar and book store. I forgot to mention – downstairs there was a cafe with a live feed of the service on a flat screen and a Starbucks coffee bar. There was also a “family room” complete with lounge furniture and a giant flat screen with a live feed. For a large church, I thought this was a good idea so parents with fussy kids could still experience the service.

Service. We made it to the auditorium just in time to catch the last 30 seconds of countdown. When countdown hit zero, the lights started flashing, the band kicked in, and the camera guys were all over the place. Sadly, the sound was terrible. I was very surprised because it seemed they placed a high priority on production value. Regardless, we were immediately in sensory overload. The three huge screens were constantly changing camera angles of the band. The auditorium seats probably around 600 people, so the band on the screen seemed a bit overkill. The band sang some songs I recognized as the guitarists rocked their little hearts out. The announcements involved some witty banter from stage and some videos. They also prayed for a group going on a mission trip. I’ll skip all the other details and jump to the message. Oh my dang. I wish I could tell you the name of the series, but that would make it easy for you to google the church. One hint: It was based on a book. The guy in front of us happened to have the book on his seat, and I saw that it had a crystal ball on it (queasy feeling #2). The message was in typical contemporary-church spirit with 5 points, and it sure was uplifting. It was so uplifting that it was completely void of anything having to do with that kind of important guy named Jesus Christ (queasy feeling #3-7). I’ll summarize the message in three points:  1) Your dream is how you define God. 2) God will help you fulfill your dream. 3) A guy in the Bible had a dream. There were times I honestly couldn’t believe what I was hearing. After the pastor ended his message, he prayed and started the, “Maybe you’re here, and you don’t know Jesus…” rant. I though to myself, “How would they know who Jesus is? You haven’t mentioned him once!” The ending prayer soon ended, and the lights and music came back on.

Post-service. Stephanie got Elijah from kids church, and I spoke to the pastors in the lobby. Don’t worry, I didn’t say anything offensive. I just told them about what we’re trying to do in Asheville and thanked them for their hospitality. I got a free Starbucks gift card for being a first-time guest. Score!

Summary. The volunteers were friendly and competent. The service was well-produced. I got some free coffee. But, none of that mattered because the gospel of Jesus Christ was not presented. The worst part is that the congregation drank it up like water. We were all saddened to see such a great opportunity to be washed down the drain. Maybe we just attended an off-week. Maybe this isn’t normal. I sure hope so.

Final Thoughts

So, where would I attend and serve if I had to make a choice? The “cool” church was absolutely out of the question. The traditional Baptist church didn’t seem to have anything for our age group to be a part of (except Sunday morning service). I finally understand why most people don’t go to church. If these were my two options, I wouldn’t go either. I think most people see right through the show. I think most people are bored by just simply attending a service once a week. I think people want to be a part of something that challenges them and gets their hands a little dirty. A part of something that preaches the truth but places an equally high priority on serving others. A part of something all about the message and love of Jesus Christ. I just pray that we can be a part of that something in Asheville.

An Update from Asheville: The Beginning

Monday, I technically started my full-time position as Lead Pastor at Grassroots. This week doesn’t feel much different from last week, but I am waking up much earlier. The month of rest was incredible and much-needed, but I am incredibly stoked to get things rolling for this concept called Grassroots. Here are some details about what’s happening…

Steph got the job
Steph was officially offered a social work position with our county. I can’t tell you how blown away we are at God’s provision. Late last year, Stephanie and I discussed the possibility of her staying in Tallahassee for a month or so until she got a job here in Asheville. Once we deemed that idea as idiotic, we decided to trust God and move to Asheville together. We essentially had enough funds to live comfortably through January before things got tricky. Steph got the final call with the job offer on January 30.

 

Who
By God’s grace, we had an incredible team move with us to Asheville. This team would include Greg Ramer, Jerad & Lisa Collier (and Maddie), and Shaun & Liz Metzger. Our friends Robin & Kendall Knepp have lived in Asheville for several years and are excited to be a part of the Grassroots team as well. Hopefully, over the next few months, we’ll be adding more and more people to the team. The response from Ashevillians about the vision of Grassroots has been humbling. From those of traditional church backgrounds to those with no church backgrounds, we have gotten some incredible feedback.

 

What
So, what does the beginning stage of a church plant look like? How would I know? I’m only three days into this thing. But seriously, we are figuring things out as we go and trying to learn as much as we can.
I will say, though, that we have a couple of things on our hearts that will be absolutely impossible for us to accomplish on our own. We’re just trusting God is in this, or we will fall flat on our faces in the most embarrassing way.

 

When
Quite a few people have asked me when we are having our first service. We’re working on answering that question. Over the next couple of weeks, we’ll solidify a timeline for Grassroots. We are starting out with missional communities (I’ll write more on those later) and will eventually work our way towards a Sunday gathering. There are so many details that have to be worked out before we can hold a “service” – funds, location, equipment, the Holy Spirit’s guidance, etc…

 

Where
Right now, we are meeting and working from wherever we can – coffee shops, pubs, restaurants, our houses…basically, anywhere there’s wi-fi and some chairs. As I type this, I’m working from my office (a corner in my garage). It’s actually been really nice working remotely. It’s easy for full-time church staffers to get caught up in the bubble of their office and become completely disconnected from the outside world. So, for right now, being a nomad is nice, I guess.

 

Why?
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” – Matthew 28:19-20

 

How?
“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” – Matthew 19:26

 

By grace alone. Through faith alone. In Christ alone.
Lance

An Update from Asheville

On December 31, we made our trek up to our new hometown, Asheville, North Carolina. Some people have asked how we’re doing, what we’re doing, and when Grassroots will be starting. So, I wanted to give a brief update on the Crawford family and Grassroots Church.

How are we doing?

We are fantastic. Seriously, we are doing great. We are madly in love with Asheville and are experiencing some awesome times just within the first month of us moving here. We are so blessed with great friends and family in the area…I’m daily in awe that we are surrounded by such good people. I, personally, am connected to so many godly men, near and far, who love Jesus more than me, and are committed to praying for me, holding me accountable, and encouraging me to fulfill God’s call to take the gospel of Christ to Asheville. Stephanie has interviewed for one position (although applied to many more), and by God’s grace, it looks like she’ll be getting the job. We’re hoping/praying to get the final call this week. Elijah turned 1 year old on January 21. Although our plans to visit the Georgia Aquarium on his birthday got rained out (more like flooded and tornado-ed out), we had an awesome party at my parents’ house in Franklin, NC (Check out the pics here). We’re planning to visit the Aquarium this Saturday.

What are we doing?

In one word: resting. Since mid-2011, I planned to take one month away from full-time ministry in between my last position and this new venture in Asheville. I have one week left, but it has been a great time of rest, much-needed family time, fellowship with the Grassroots team, fellowship with other old friends and new friends, and settling in to our new home and city. It’s also been a time of breaking bad habits, starting good ones, and spending time with God. Ministry can take a serious toll on yourself and your family. So, I made it a priority to take a break to work on myself before I started leading others again. Although I’m resting, I constantly think and dream about Grassroots. I wonder how God will use us to befriend those who are desperate to know Him. I am excited for what’s ahead and am ready to hit the ground running next week.

What’s up with Grassroots?

Well, if 2012 was a week long, we’re taking our sabbath now. Like I said earlier, I’m taking a breather. Some of the other team members are taking time to rest, get to know the city, visit family and friends, and look for jobs. I’m taking a hint from my discipleship coach and “resting for my work” rather than “working for my rest”, and I’ve also encouraged the team to do the same. In February, things will start to get a little insane (in a good way). We’ll be meeting, planning, dreaming, making new friends, visiting other churches, connecting with other pastors and church staff members, praying, studying Scripture, reading books, learning how to serve Asheville and its people, partying, and probably more praying. God is up to something in Asheville…we’re excited to finally be a part of it.

About AshevillePastor.com

Not that you asked, by I wanted to let you know what this site/blog is all about. Basically, I will be detailing the Grassroots story every step of the way at ashevillepastor.com. So many people from all over have supported my family and the Grassroots team over the past year or so, and I wanted to give them (and anyone else interested) a glimpse into this journey. I’m not exactly sure what lies ahead, but I’m honored to share it with you.

By grace alone. Through faith alone. In Christ alone.

Lance

Give Me Rest

This is my prayer today:

Oh great God, give us rest
We’re all worn thin from all of this
At the end of our hope with nothing left
Oh great God, give us rest

Oh great God, do Your best
Have you seen this place, it’s all a mess
And I’ve done my part too, well I ‘fess
Oh great God, do Your best

Could You take a song and make it thine
From a crooked heart twisted up like mine
Would You open up Heaven’s glory light
Shine on in, give these dead bones life
Oh shine on in, give these dead bones life

If you haven’t yet, please buy David Crowder Band’s latest (and last) album, Give Us Rest. This is an excerpt from the second song on the album.

 

In my favorite city with my favorite person (Taken with instagram)

“If you set out to build the church, there is no guarantee you will make disciples. It is far more likely that you will create consumers who depend on the spiritual services that religious professionals provide.”

Breen & Cockram (3DM) in Building a Discipling Culture

Natural Leader vs. Spiritual Leader. Just put this on my desktop…



Natural Leader vs. Spiritual Leader. Just put this on my desktop to remind me of my priorities. From Oswald Sanders’ Spiritual Leadership.

Summary of Philemon

Hey Philemon,

What is wrong with you? You’re awesome. I’m inspired by you. Tell your wife and church I say hello.

I demand that you Would you do me the favor of reuniting with Onesimus? He’s better now, I promise. I know he probably stole some stuff from you, but he misses you and wants to be friends. Please charge his debt to my tab. I know you’ll do the right thing!

I’m getting out of jail soon and crashing at your place. Please prepare my room.

In Christ,

Paul (Mark, Luke and others say hi too!)

Summary of 2nd Timothy

Dear Timothy,

Here are four things people love:

  • Arguing over things that don’t matter
  • Believing lies
  • Religion
  • Themselves

Isn’t that silly/absolutely insane? Anyway, don’t be afraid to speak the truth.

I’m proud of you.

- Paul

P.S. Bring me my coat and my books. I’m dying here (literally)!

Summary of Galatians

Dear Galatians, Jesus + anything = nothing. Jesus + nothing = everything. I love you morons. -Paul

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